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Separating IPug(tm) Trusts From “Traditional” Irrevocable Trusts & RLT’s

One of the main sources of confusion for clients, their families, our business synergy partners, and even other lawyers, is how the iPug™ trust differs from "traditional" irrevocable and revocable trusts.  In order to help clients make the best decision about what is right for them, we need to educate.  However, in a busy law practice, it is sometimes impractical, maybe even impossible, to fully educate everyone, especially if there are adult children or other busy professionals involved.

Bigstock-Podcast-2624126Lawyers With Purpose Member, Nicole Whipp, is a practicing attorney in Southeast Michigan.  Her firm, Family & Aging Law Center, has three offices that serve five counties in the metropolitan Detroit area. Nicole is a self-proclaimed "serial entrepreneur" and passionate marketer, and is always working to use her marketing to educate about the benefits of elder-centric estate planning. She has created Smart Planning 101 (content is not confined to state-specific law).  It covers topics that generally affect what "older Americans" and their families may face. 

She has created a resource for you that will boost your efforts in educating others about the benefits of iPug trusts (especially if someone says, "Where can I go to find out more about this?"). Recently, Nicole Wipp interviewed Dave Zumpano on her podcast, "Smart Planning 101."  In the course of two episodes, Dave thoroughly explains the fundamental differences between the various types of trusts and how the iPug fits into a complete estate plan.  Even better, he does it using easy-to-understand language.  

The interview and explanation is geared toward the layperson, but that doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to a lawyer. Whether you choose to have clients listen to it on their own time, or you use it to gain insights into how to convey the message in a way that is easy to understand, Dave is there – and even better, on demand!

A note from member Nicole Wipp:

“One of the main benefits of belonging to an organization such as Lawyers With Purpose is that it helps you, the attorney, differentiate yourself in what is becoming an increasingly commoditized market. (Online estate plans, anyone?)  There's no question that a majority of the work we do is highly specialized, yet the public generally still doesn't understand the real benefits of working with an elder law attorney that can help them navigate the maze of federal, state, and administrative law and procedures that can and will affect them.  These podcast episodes with Dave will help illustrate the real difference of what you can provide.”

Nicole C. Wipp, Attorney & Counselor at Law - Family & Aging Law Center PLLC 

 

IRA Marketing Packet: Login Or Order Today!

On Tuesday, June 24th  Dave hosted a LIVE Lunch & Learn for all of the LWP members, all of his financial professionals, and the general estate planning industry at large titled: IRA's Not Protected The Supreme Court Rules

The complete marketing package is now available to our members and posted to the member web site.  This packet includes:

  • E‑blast to send to your referral sources.
  • The Power Point presentation to deliver to your advisors.
  • The recording of the live presentation to see how Dave presented it. 
  • A complete evaluation that will be a call to act to those in attendance of the program. 

In this workshop you will be able to provide to your referral sources:

  • An understanding of the key holdings of the recent Supreme Court decision.
  • Learn the asset protection strategies available for inherited IRAs.
  • Know the four requirements for trusts to qualify to own IRAs without causing taxation.
  • Discover the "inside" and "outside" planning strategies we have used for years to protect inherited IRAs and provide clients with the maximum number of options at death to avoid the loss of an IRA to creditors and long-term care costs.

To locate the packet, login to the member site, hover over the “Marketing” tab and choose the “Professional Presentations” folder.  Scroll down to the folder titled “IRA's Not Protected The Supreme Court Rules” and you will find the materials along with the video.

For non-members, you order your own Marketing Packet and start doing your own presentations by clicking here: http://ira.lawyerswithpurpose.com

Roslyn Drotar, Coaching, Consulting & Implementation – Lawyers With Purpose

 

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The Weight Of The World … Or Opportunity?

“The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, the education, the money, than circumstances, than failure, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company… a church… a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past… we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. And so it is with you… we are in charge of our Attitudes.”Charles R. Swindoll

After being gone from my daily yoga practice for 1 week while in Chicago at the LWP Tri-Annual Retreat I eagerly returned to my 5:45 a.m. Monday morning practice, exhausted after getting on average of 5 hours of sleep a night. As I shuffled into the studio, squawking about how tired I was our teacher began our 102 degree practice with the above quote. Needless to say, my attitude shifted. Quickly, intensely.

The entire class was about how we perceive all the “stuff” that happens to us, day in and day out. It brought me immediately back to and thinking about the 40 national law firms that shut down their practices, team in tow, for 3 solid BUSINESS days, like they do Tri-Annually, to work ON their businesses and lives.

Bigstock-Close-up-of-human-hand-breakin-54368582We launch our retreats with personal shares of what has occurred in your practice since the last retreat, 4 months prior. The shares consisted of; losing team, moving offices (while losing team), personal illnesses, family illnesses, losing parents, employee embezzlement, and so on.   But the absolute magnificence was there wasn’t a trace of defeat or heaviness in that ballroom. Only recognition and appreciation for the opportunities that were waiting on the other side. Each and every firm truly embodied the attitude of “behind every breakdown is a breakthrough.”

The themes swirling through the room; we are lean and mean, were a team of interdependence versus codependency, less is more, intentional focus, short term suffering, eyes wide open. And firms were sharing they had their best quarter EVER…after going from a team of 7 to 3. Or, going on our 9th Client Services Coordinator, but that’s o.k., not tolerating anything but superstar status!

The honest, vulnerable sharing about life isn’t always about hugs & cookies but its what you choose to see when it feels like bread and water….for a blink of a moment. Until you can anchor yourself to what you know to be true. When they got over the tragedy of their worlds crashing down they anchored to the skills and tools they need to have a 2mm shift, and recourse. The Money Plan, job descriptions, time templates, whose doing what to reach goal, The Revenue focuser. They knew for those that were having to double up on roles, there were the Tri-Annual Retreat Focus Sessions waiting for them right outside the door on, Marketing, Client Services, What’s Happening Behind the Conference Room Doors, Medicaid and VA Qualification and Application, IPugs vs. LLCs, How to Plan With IRAs, Communication Skills, Power In Partnership, Annual Client Maintenance Program, How To Have An Empowered Team, Getting Financial Advisors To Do Their Homework, Client & Financial Advisory Boards, Becoming 360 – personal development coaching day, your future focuser…and so, so much more. All right at their fingertips. Like a strategically placed safety net. And the coolest part is that every single firm that shared their weight of the worlds/opportunities over the past four months did it all on their own. They hunkered down and regrouped. I have to admit, there was a small part of me that felt irrelevant. Off they go. 

What shows up in your world is solely based on your perspective of what is “happening” to you.  Do you see the challenges you face as a business owner (and human) like carrying the weight of the world or endless opportunities? It may sound “hokey” but there is no mistake that you open up any periodical, social media application and/or blog and there is a universal shift around “you manifest what you think.” You keep telling yourself that carrying the weight of the world “comes with the territory” you will continue to attract big monster cinder blocks of “troubles” to carry around versus “there is a lesson in this and I am grateful that I am open to discovering it. I need not only make the best of it but make the better of it. What do I need to do first?”  See the difference?

The Weight of the World…or opportunity?

Molly L. Hall, Co-Founder, Lawyers with Purpose, LLC, and author of Don’t Be a Yes Chick: How to Stop Babysitting Your Boss, Transform Your Job and Work with a Dream Team Without Losing Your Sanity or Your Spirit in the Process.

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Marketing To Nursing Homes: Talking Price

If you've been following our series about marketing to nursing homes, then we're glad to see you back for the third post in the series. If you missed the first two parts you can find Part 1 here, and Part 2 here

In this post we'll tackle the question of talking price. If you get your foot in the door with the administrator, is that the time to share your fee schedule, or do you risk your contact making a hasty value judgment on the costs?

Bigstock-Blue-Door--Very-High-Definiti-1429912Bottom line, you have to prove the value of what you're offering first.  Then when they ask – and they WILL – let them know your fee.  The cost is one month of nursing home care to protect the house. Again, let them know the value first.  They aren't just looking out for themselves, they're protecting their residents.

It's a good idea not to undercut. Just tell them, “This is what it is,” because the business office manager knows how much work is involved in dealing with Medicaid, putting the application together or running it through the system. (The administrator, on the other hand, might not be quite as aware of what is involved, so tailor your message to the audience.)

So, a lot of times, the business office will be your biggest ally when it comes to cost.  You let them know your fee, and the business office is probably thinking, “Yes, I do this myself and it’s worth it to have you do it.” So be straightforward about it, because they’re going to ask you.  If you’re not willing to share that info or you kind of beat around the bush, you won't gain their trust and they might not be comfortable sending clients to you.

Tell the business office that it’s usually one to two months of nursing home costs, according to how complicated the process is. When you put it in those terms, the business manager relates the numbers to their fee, as well.  You might not nail down exact figures, but it helps if you ballpark it to what their dollar figure is, what they’re charging their clients. Check back here soon for more on nursing home marketing.

Roslyn Drotar – Coaching, Consulting & Implementation, Lawyers With Purpose

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What LWP Tri-Annual Retreat Attendees Are Getting Today

Today is Day 3 of the Lawyers With Purpose Members Tri-Annual Retreat.  We have the priviledge of guest speaker Christine Kane speaking and we want to share with you a little sneak peek of her agenda for the day. 

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  • Why do we set goals? Why don't we achieve them?  Limiting beliefs, etc.
  • Breaking limiting patterns
    • Aspiration (motivation/goal/dream)
    • Awareness
    • Action (mindset and energy included)
      • You can’t run away from yourself! 
  • What’s in the way of your goals?
  • Exercise
  • Set your goal – pick your number $ for the year or 3 years
    • Describe your environment – 3 words
    • Describe your time – 5 core activities you spend bulk of time doing
    • Doing things outside of what you’re being called to do costs energy
    • The more you start doing things you’re good at, the more money you’ll make (hiring people to take the chores off you)
  • Partner up, share your vision.
    • Name the vision
  • Camp Scarcity (fear): not enough, loss, competition, limits, well is dry, constriction/contraction, not deserving, hard, cold, alone, isolated, familiar, struggle, envy, martyr, victim, guilt, judgment, perfectionism, greed, lust, experiences deplete us
  • Planet Abundance: in the flow, effortless, ease, clarity, creative, innovative, community, collaboration, gratitude, love, appreciation, joy, happiness, presence, compassion
  • Worksheet prep (Becoming 360)
    • 10 areas of work and life, in terms of your dream
    • 5 core beliefs of the person you want to become
    • Rate truth – never, fairly, sometimes, always
    • Partner, share your 5 beliefs and rating
  • Create one affirmation statement for one of these beliefs
  • Create one action step that locks in the affirmation
  • Recurring thoughts, positive and negative
  • Write 5 beneficial recurring thoughts in journal
    • Rate truth – never, fairly, sometimes, always
  • Partner, share the beliefs and rating
  • Create one action step for these recurring thoughts
  • Worksheet
    • Fill in sections 1-2, “Becoming 360”
  • Daily activities (present)
  • WWOD – What Would Oprah Do? 
    • Are your daily activities in line with the vision you?  What can you offload?
  • Cross off anything on list that your vision self would no longer do
    • Start small if you need to, major drains
    • There is no recipe or formula, it’s your own experience
    • Protect your confidence, cross off anything negative
  • Partner up, share list and what’s going away
    • Create one action step for worksheet
    • Tell Me Later and Text Minder – apps for future reminders
    • Task Rabbit or Angie’s List to find help
  • Habits
  • Recurring patterns vs. activities
  • Partner; share new habit you will implement for next 90 days to bring this vision
    • Health & Energy
  • Holistic model, don’t compartmentalize – business and health are interrelated
  • 3-5 places in health (mental, mindset, physical, etc.) that are draining you
  • Action step: 1 thing you can do to begin process of healing what’s draining you.  Something do-able.  Set the intention to see what can open up – be open to miracles.
  • Partner, share your action.
    • Environment
    • What can you clean up?
  • Partner and share who you’ll have on your team
    • Products & Offers
  • What needs to change to get you to your income goal?
  • Books leading into program (create back-end first)
  • 3 things your vision self offers, and how they’re priced
  • Stand and partner, share
  • Free Time
  • Schedule your time
  • How often does your vision self take vacation?
  • What does free time look like?
  • Partner – current free time, one action step to boost it this year
    • Best Relationships
  • 5 common, important traits of the people your vision self most spends time with
  • 5 people you currently hang out with the most
  • How do these 5 people measure up to the 5 vision traits?  Do these people serve you?
  • Action step to build better, more supportive relationships

You don't want to miss Pheonix in October.  Block October 22nd – 24th on your calendar now and join in the conversation if you weren't able to make it this time.  I can't wait to hop on my implementation calls next week and hear what the members came up with for their firm Money Plan and Becoming 360!

Roslyn Drotar – Coaching, Consulting & Implementation, Lawyers With Purpose

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Congratulations To Michael Cohen, LWP Member Of The Month

What is the greatest success you’ve had since joining LWP? 

I have been able shift my practice from being primarily “crisis” planning to planning that is more encompassing with more options than I what I previously was aware. We now tell potential clients that we are “Baskin-Robbins” – you just tell us what flavor you like, and we will design your plan to meet your flavor.  I also see LWP as a way to approach the practice more like a business (i.e. with focusers, steadier cash flow, etc.).

Mike Cohen-PictureWhat is your favorite LWP tool?

Although I mentioned the focusers in my answer above, my favorite tool (if you can call it a” tool” ) is having monthly workshops.  As LWP members know, the  “stories” in the workshop simplify the complex area of planning and allow us to help so many more people (and I can leverage my time even if an attendee doesn’t become a client) in addition to an increase in bottom line. In addition, the workshop design allows us to have fun (with my personal stamp or story) with prospective clients while showing them our knowledge and their need to take care of the ones they love.

How has being part of LWP impacted your team and your practice? 

First, LWP has increased communications in our office. Second, although we are small, our “team” has grown as a result of LWP. Third, the focus of our practice has changed as indicated in my answer to no. 1 above. Fourth, I have expanded my horizon in legal-technical knowledge. Finally, I see a roadmap for a journey that  (although I am not sure where it will end or what weather lies before me) I expect to have a rainbow at the end.  A special thanks to Molly for keeping us on the right path.

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Becoming 360 With Christine Kane of UpLevel You

We've had some phenominal ~ and passionate ~ conversations about the content we want to bring to the members at the retreat.  Meet Christine Kane of UpLevel You who will be sharing her "Becoming 360" on Day 3 of the members only Tri-Annual Retreat in Chicago – June 11-13th, just two weeks from now! What is "Becoming 360" you ask??? 

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 and a more compassionate (and passionate!) perspective on you, your life, your future, and how you want to design your success.

In Becoming 360.  You’ll dive deeper into your goals, your purpose and your WHY. 

You’ll understand and celebrate the real reason we set goals at all.

HINT:  It’s NOT about the achievement.  It’s about WHO WE BECOME as we get there.

The day will be devoted to that process of setting the goal, and then examining – through conversation, clarity work and training – the 10 areas of your life that drive (or drain) your energy, and who you must BECOME in order to reach and manifest the goals you set.

This is the path of the leader and the entrepreneur.  And it gives greater meaning and clarity to our work, our surroundings, our desires, and our relationships.

The LWP team can’t wait to do this work with you!  Safe travels and we'll be seeing you all in the Windy City! There are still just a few seats left so if you're interested in attending the Tri-Annual Retreat, pick up the phone and reach out to Angela (acrowther@lawywerswithpurpose.com) TODAY don't wait!

Roslyn Drotar, Coaching, Consulting & Implementation, Lawyers With Purpose

 

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How To Get In The Door With Nursing Homes

Say you're either a solo practitioner or a Relationship Management Services coordinator and you want to start working the "LWP – RMS" and begin marketing to nursing homes.  How do you get started?

Your first step is to go to Medicare.gov and check out their Nursing Home Compare search engine. Enter in your ZIP code and you'll get a list of the nursing homes in your area.  It’ll give you a breakdown on which ones are in Medicare/Medicaid, and which ones have VA.  It’ll give you the total number of beds in the facility.  You can even see the ownership, whether it’s individual or a corporation or who is involved in it.  Then, see if that same name or that same corporation pops up in other homes in the area; if they own multiple chains or multiple units in the area, that’s good to know.

Bigstock-Blue-Door--Very-High-Definiti-1429912Once you pinpoint some facilities to target, then it gets a little scary.  Most of the time, you will want to start by just visiting the facility to see what’s going on, and to make sure they don’t have some type of deal worked out with somebody else. You don’t want to step on any toes with existing financial planners or the like, so make sure you know what’s happening there.

Touring the facility will also let you know if they have deficiencies or strengths in any particular area. They might have really good staffing numbers, or they might have no complaints or other issues, putting them above average in these certain categories. Set that in your memory banks and database for sure, so when you’re trying to develop this relationship, you already have some background on the facility.  You kind of know what they’re going through.  You don’t want to look like you’re investigating them, you just want to be able to talk their language. You need to be able to communicate their sense of what their enroll numbers are.  How many rehab numbers do they have?  How many readmits?  Can they pick up any pending?  Are they having any issues with billing Medicare for rehab? Try to create some type of common ground in communication.  That opens up everybody else, from the business office to the director of nursing and up to the administrator.

Now that you've done some preliminary research, it's time to make your approach. You can start with the administrator, which is good – but to be honest, it’s hard to get to them.  They’re probably not going to take your call immediately, but don’t let that hinder you, because you're really trying to get to the person who will actually interact with you more in your role, and that’s the business office manager.  If you can get into that office, that’ll open the key to all the other positions that you’re trying to make a relationship with, including the administrator and the director of nursing, who will see your value. That person knows what you can bring to the situation, and might even advocate for you with the other players in the nursing home.

A good approach is to tell the receptionist you have some new information on Medicaid numbers that would help them, and that you'd like to present them to the business office manager if that person is available. Bring a fact sheet with your contact info on it; it can just show the numbers for this year, and if there have been any updates. The new information is often enough to get their attention, and it can help you  create that conversation on how things are going with their nursing home, if they’ve seen any changes or if they are running into low numbers.  Have they seen anything as far as having to deal with the readmits back to the hospital?  They start wanting to explain things to you and tell you how things are going. So now you’re listening instead of talking, and you’re coming at them from a place of, “We’re here to help you.”  You have to let them know that that’s what you’re there to do, not just to get referrals. You want to ask them, “How can we support you in any way?  What is it that you see us helping you with?” We like to use the term, “We want it to be your back office.”

Starting your conversations with this approach will bring you success in building your nursing home client base. But what happens if they won't let you in at all? Check back for more conversations about marketing your elder law / estate planning practice to nursing homes. 

If you are interested in learning more on this topic of marketing and what Lawyers With Purpose has to offer in legal technical support, join us at the most important event that will change your estate planning, asset protection and elder law practice.  The Asset Protection, Medicaid and VA Benefits Practice with Purpose Program is happening June 9th – 11th in Chicago, IL.  But register today to make sure you reserve your seat!

Roslyn Drotar, Coaching Consulting & Implementation – Lawyers With Purpose

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Lessons from LA Part 2 – Be Prepared, Persistent & Flexible

A few weeks ago, I discussed my trip to Los Angeles to interview a big name – Betty White – for my TV show, Senior Salute.  The topic of choice was how pets enhance the quality of seniors as they age.  Betty White is a huge animal advocate.  A date was set, then reset, then canceled.

LosangelesWas I frustrated, upset and discouraged?  YES!  But, I decided to take the valuable lessons I learned and celebrate the courage it took to put myself out there and be vulnerable.  How many times a day do you or your employees put yourselves out there?  Each time you meet with a prospective client, meet with a new referral source, learn and implement a new practice area, like Veterans Benefits, have a difficult discussion about office policies with team members, and the list goes on. The fact of the matter is that we do it all day after day. But, we don’t recognize it or celebrate it. Often we only feel the pain of it.

Oh, I felt pain. I spent about $2,000 to fly to LA and stay in a hotel three time zones away.  Leaving my children and out of the office not working for three days.  Waiting for the call and the opportunity. Planning in advance, I purchased tickets to attend the live audience taping of Hot in Cleveland, the award winning show that Betty White stars in weekly. I didn’t want the entire week to be a loss. Because entrance is on a first come first seat basis, I wanted to ensure I got a seat so I showed up to the studio 3 hours early (in full stage make up, still with hopes of interviewing Betty).  I was third in line, certain to get a seat. I was told to speak with the floor manager about getting VIP status so I could do a “meet and greet” with the cast after the filming. She turned me down, twice. Yes, twice. I was persistent. But, I was also polite. After all, I had a gift to give to Betty that I had carefully selected and purchased in Atlanta.

Once I realized I was not getting access, I felt sorry for myself for a moment and let the hurt and embarrassment set in. Then, I looked around and thought, “I can and will have a great night and enjoy the good of it all.”

What I learned, that we can all practice in our offices, is that:

1. When you want something, go for it. Make all preparations to succeed. 

2.  Put yourself out there and be persistent but polite. Know when to sit down and enjoy the show.

3.  Be ready for anything, but also be ready to accept nothing in exchange of your efforts except the gratification that you took action. Not every at-bat is a home run. Sitting on the sidelines (once in a while) is enjoyable too.

4.  Congratulate yourself for the courage it takes to make the decisions you make and take the actions you take.  Many people only dream of things they want, but never take the first step toward achieving them.

5.  Recognize that failure is sometimes the thrust you need to move forward. John C. Maxwell wrote the book, Failing Forward: Turning Mistakes Into Stepping Stones, that is worth a read.

If your marketing efforts or the implementation of Veterans Benefits into your estate planning or elder care law firm are not going as you expected, stop and praise yourself for the efforts you have made so far. Then, review and make some changes toward the result you want.

Victoria L. Collier is a Veteran and Certified Elder Law Attorney, Fellow of the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys, Co-Founder of Lawyers With Purpose LLC, and author of “47 Secret Veterans’ Benefits for Seniors—Benefits You Have Earned … but Don’t Know About.”

P.S.  I plan to write Betty White a personal letter, sending her the gift I got for her, and asking for an interview directly.  Let’s see what happens!

If you want to come see what Lawyers With Purpose has to offer your estate and elder law practice, please join us in June for 2.5 days full of training on Asset Protection, Medicaid & VA Practice With Purpose program. 

 

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Playing “The Price Is Right!”

Our tri-annual retreat sparked a lot of discussion and creative thinking about the issues faced by many law firms, and one area that clearly causes a lot of heartburn is, simply, "How much?" What do you charge for your services, and which approach to pricing lends fair value to the firm and the customer alike?

Bigstock-Landscape-Dollars-2586665Obviously, you first must make sure your fees are ethical.  Whatever that means in your jurisdiction; you want to make sure that you can justify your fees ethically. Yet this is a very broad guideline, and not a particularly helpful way to set your prices. Here are a few of the common methods, along with some of the pros and cons.

Finger in the wind method –  This is basing your pricing on what other people are doing in your area.  It is not a bad idea to do that research, just so you can see what other people are doing and know that your prices are not way out of line.  And if you are charging what everybody else is, if you are going with the herd, you’re going to be comfortable with the pricing. The downside is that, in your clients' minds, it is basic commodity pricing.  In other words, they could go to you or the attorney down the street and the client will pretty much get the same thing.  It is important to know what everybody else charges, but it is not a good idea to follow their lead.

Flat fee – This is a great way to charge clients, but if you base your fee on how much time you will take, then you could still run into problems.  For example, let’s say you have a job that will take you three hours, and if you multiple your billing rate of, say, $250.00/hour by three hours, you decide you’re going to charge $750.00 for your service.  Now, that will make you comfortable with the price because it’s based on an hourly rate and the amount of time that you estimate.  The downside is, if you underestimate how much time the job will take, you will be underpaying yourself. And if you overestimate too many times, that can also be a problem, because you'll feel like you're overcharging your client, and that will eventually cost you clients.  Another issue is that there are only so many hours in the day, and by using this approach you are not taking full advantage of flat fee billing and limiting your revenue based on the number of hours you work a case.  One way to correct this is to estimate what it normally takes you to do a job, then build in a buffer to cover the times it might take longer.  For example, you would start out estimating that a job will take you three hours, but you know what sometimes it takes you four or five, so you might average the time that it would take thus what the cost will be. 

Value-base billing – What is the value of what you’re doing for the client?  Let’s say you are saving a client $650,000 of their assets.  Are you really only going to charge what everybody else is charging when they may not be able to get even close to the same result?  If the attorney down the street is doing $2,000 for a trust, but you can do a trust a little bit differently and save $650,000, you are doing a huge service for the client, a service that the client could not get elsewhere, but doing a huge disservice to self by not charging enough.  The great advantage of value-base billing is that you are giving a higher value to the clients; therefore, you can charge higher prices But if you are uncomfortable with the process and the different options available, then it will show. And your clients will not be willing to pay higher prices because your client is not not going to trust you.

Fee schedule – Whichever pricing model you choose, a fee schedule is important because it helps you avoid emotion-based pricing.  Sometimes when we are talking with people, we hear a sad story or we see that the client doesn’t have a lot of assets, and we start to feel like social workers.  We want to help as many people as possible, but the fee schedule will help you stick to the pricing.  If you’ve done your fee schedule right and you're confident in your fees, it will help you reduce the feeling of needing to cut your fees, because you have built your fee schedule in such a way that you know the price is fair.  You know that the price is worth what you’re doing. And also remember that, even though the client has a sob story or you feel sorry for them for one reason or another, you still have to do the work, and the work won't be any less because you feel sorry for the client.

On the LWP members web site, you can find our founder's estate planning fee schedule. You can use that as a guide, not necessarily for the amount that you might charge, but it’ll let you know the various services that his firm provides. That can help you decide whether or not you want to offer those or other services, and it’ll get you thinking about what you might be able to charge in your area.

Finally, you don’t want to miss our retreats.  At our last retreat, we had a discussion about what happens if the client has a negative reaction to the fee – maybe doesn't want to pay that price or even tries to negotiate with you. After a great discussion, the consensus among our members was, bottom line, the price is the price.  If you are confident in your price but the client resists, then you probably have a marketing problem.  Bring in more people who are better able to see the value of what you are offering them.  Adjust your marketing and bring in better prospects.

Aaron Miller, Legal Technical Trainer, Lawyers With Purupose